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Toshiro Ozuwara
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:39:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Oh, and please feel free to tip my bounty. Maybe if some of the people here bump me up to #1, no one will play my game... We both know that's not how marketing works friend. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 17:54:00 -
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CCP is only going to intervene if it blows up like The Mittani thing. This soundcloud being heard by the wider world about their game is going to be very embarrassing.
So if this really bothers you, get it out to the greater gaming press and larger gaming community. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:00:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So what you're saying is that you don't care what damage is caused to CCP or EVE as long as you can get someone you don't like banned. That's not at all what I said.
I don't have an opinion on Erotica1. I just read the blog post, and then pages of hurfblurf outrage here.
People want to ostracize someone to correct this behavior? The simplest way is to go after CCP's wallet and reputation.
What's wow is a living breathing strawman elected to the CSM. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:That's not at all what I said.
I'm afraid it is. What you meant? Maybe not. But it's the logical consequence of what you said. No, it's really not what I said. You're welcome to quote me to substantiate your claim.
What is interesting though is how you're running interference for Erotica1. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:09:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:TigerXtrm wrote: There is such a thing as psychological extortion. Furthermore a person has time and effort invested in those items so who are you to say the items have no value?
But, there not his items. If you want to be strict with definition, then no one in the western world owns anything, since everything by virtue of tax can be appropriated by the state, at almost any time (mercy of the court).
Some governments don't even believe you own your body, and won't let you have sex with who you want, eat what you want, or smoke what you want.
So yeah, ownership is a social abstraction at best, even IRL.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I'm not defending what erotica1 does
I'm afraid you are.
What you meant? Maybe not. But it's the logical consequence of what you said
see what I did there?
Malcanis wrote:I'm defending his right to fair treatment and due process according to the rules. You're the kind of guy who'd argue for a rapist to go free on a technicality then. Right? Because observation of arbitrary rules should trump justice?
Let's really get the heat off Erotica1. Let's talk about the CSM who defends harassment, mental abuse and torture because it's "not against the rules".
Malcanis wrote:I sincerely hope that you never have the occasion to experience it in reality. Great representative of the community. If my constituents hurt, it's ok as long as it doesn't happen to me.
Well played friend. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Did you or did you not advocate whipping up a damaging media shitstorm? Damaging to whom? If the content is as benign as you would have us believe, then there will be no shitstorm. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:No he's saying that everyone no matter how "obvious" a criminal they are should get their time in court in front of 12 and true.
so Malcanis is advocating for out of game legal action now? That's news to me. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:22:00 -
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Kadl wrote:Erotica1 was clearly looking for services, actions to be performed by Sohkar (and others). Those actions were to be performed outside of the game on a Teamspeak server. Erotica1 may have used coercion to obtain those services. Thus a crime of extortion may have been committed.
If the activities were outside the game then Erotica1 was clearly offering in game items (or to make in game actions) in return for out of game services (or actions). It may be that Erotica1 had no intention of providing those in game items (or in making certain in game actions). Whether it's criminal or not, it's probably abhorrent behavior based on even the White Knight's posting in this thread. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:What does due process mean to you then? I am not talking about court. I am not talking about law. "Due process" is a fiction of fairness, provided when it is convenient to do so, and denied when it is not.
We don't need 12 jurors to hear this case. Let the wider world listen to the recording as Ripard suggested, and let them judge Eve and CCP for it.
I am sure CCP can get Malcanis to volunteer to head up PR on this, where he can explain to people disgusted by this behavior that it's within the rules, and that Erotica1 deserves his day in court. That will be compelling for sure. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:27:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:[It's not torture. It's not criminal activity. Comparing real world crime/criminals to a video game screams for attention. I would rather have him represent us, because he knows the rules of the video and the difference between IRL and virtual video games. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
Just giving Malcanis a taste of his own medicine. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:48:00 -
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Bottom line, CCP either does something about this or not. It's pedantry to talk about legality and court processes.
If it's a black eye, I am pretty sure CCP will do something about it. They have enough stuff written into their EULA, they can arbitrarily axe someone from the game any time they please. They don't need to provide an explanation or a rationale for it. They can simply do it.
If this recording upset you and they don't, then all you have is getting mad.
If this recording doesn't upset you and they do something, all you have is getting mad. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 18:52:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:then he should have removed himself from the situation. "When the bullies harass you, go find a teacher."
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:05:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I get the feeling you think Erotica 1 is the one who violated the EULA, not the guy who made RL death threats and racial slurs. You know, stuff that is against the EULA. I don't care about the EULA tbh. I really don't. People break it constantly, and it rarely gets reported or acted upon. CCP acts when it is called upon to do so.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I'll just say what I've been trying to get at with my Eve Voice remarks. If Erotica 1 had used Eve Voice instead of Teamspeak, Sohkar would be permabanned. But she didn't because she would have been banned a long time ago. And the fact it didn't happen in Eve, means all of this behavior is outside the EULA. Just like the Mittani saying something offcolor at fanfest while drunk was outside the EULA as well.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Scamming is a part of Eve. Making people sing songs, quote poetry, or whatever is also a part of Eve. Not honoring ransoms, also a part of Eve. Are you trying to claim there was no harassment of this guy going on for 2 hours? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:08:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:1984esque prank call 1984 was a book about the absolute bottom of human social behavior and manipulation.
Maybe choose a different metaphor to make your particular case. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:10:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the fact of the situation is as follows; he was one keystroke from removing himself from the situation and turning a 1.5 hour teamspeak session in to a non-event. Do you attribute this to his lack of awareness or Erotica1's skill at manipulation?
"Shouldn't have worn that dress" They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:18:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:This can only bring more players to EVE. Let's test it with a 21 day buddy invite on that page. It might even increase business for the bonus round. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:21:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Yes. He willingly sent Erotica 1 isk to double. Willingly entered the "Bonus Room". Willingly logged into Teamspeak (I think he even had to willingly install Teamspeak first). He willingly contracted all his assests to strangers. He willingly sang songs and willingly read wikipedia entries. He could have chosen at any time to not do any of that, or he could have left at ANY time. Frankly, I'd expect "harassment" to be at least slightly non-consensual. People who participate in cons are also voluntarily going along with the conman.
Doesn't make it not a con. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:23:00 -
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Pew Terror wrote:Sometimes when i walk by a homeless person near the mall and notice they are pretty weak I just start kicking them in the chins and take their quarters. Then I laugh at them when they tear up realizing that they will have to starve the next few days.
Yeah, preying on the weak and defenseless makes me a pretty hilarious dude! Sound like those homeless people just need to HTFU. You were totally within the EULA on that one bro. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:24:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Your words. Some guy getting embarrassed because he's greedy is in no way comparable to sexual assault. I wasn't comparing it to sexual assault. I was comparing his rationalization to the rationalizations for sexual assault. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:25:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:But in Eve it is valid game play, not harassment. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:30:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:So your problem isn't with the recording or Erotica 1. Its that you think scamming in Eve should be banned. Seems like a different topic than what this thread was about. Why do you keep trying to guess what I think? I never said a word about scamming or banning it. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 19:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:dumb person did something dumb, some one took advantage of it. average day in life, and eve, really.
not really much of a story but that's the tl;dr. Did you listen to the recording? Because the issue here isn't scamming and most of your comments seem to be completely missing what has some people very upset. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:20:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Just trying to follow your logic that goes from someone willingly participating with the ability to quit at ANY time to harrasement. Again, the same as a con. Doesn't make it not a con. This is not a complicated idea to grasp friend.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Your follow ups indicate to me that you're real problem was with the scam all along. Maybe you need less indicating and following, and better reading comprehension. When you start to imagine things never said, you're losing the plot.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Feel free to correct my misconceptions. I'll happily let any clarification you make stand for your opinion on the subject. "I will assert nonsense and shift the burden on to you."
Ok. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:31:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Blaming the victim in RL sexual violence = not okay, and such rationalization is in and of itself morally reprehensible since the rationalization itself does measurable harm to real people who are or are yet to be victims of sexual assault.
Blaming the victim in RL for other crimes = you blame the victim where appropriate given the circumstances and blame the criminal always.
Blaming the victim in Eve scam = okay. Eve is a dangerous place and assumed to be dangerous, and since we can't blame the eve-criminal for valid gameplay, we can certainly blame the victim for being stupid and greedy. Yes, but we're not talking about the consequences within Eve. We're talking about the consequences outside of Eve. Sure, different domains have different standards and rules. But the idea of shifting the blame to the victim is a very HTFU sort of thing, which we generally don't endorse as an ideal in Western society, IRL.
When this guy was kept on voice comms for 2 hours, when his wife became involved, when they mocked his RL speech impediment, this wasn't Eve inside the game client anymore. It became very personal and very RL very fast.
People are mixing a lot of domains here. All that matters is how CCP wants their game to be played, and perceived by the non-Eve playing world. If they are cool with this, then it's settled. If they are not, then there is that too.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:35:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Also you do not legally own any assets in Eve, they all belong to CCP. You also do not own any assets IRL. Your government can take them away and kill you if you try to stop them.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 20:54:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Thaylon Sen wrote:Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way. What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes. Yes, you make it all sound so melodramatic. Well done Shakespeare.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 21:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:11 years of growth says we are doing just fine. The earth has always been flat.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:02:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Thats what Im seeing, really? This is insane. Yes, it is insane. Just like when a company won't hire you because your facebook is filled with pictures of you getting wasted in college. What an injustice! They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:we've gone from breaking the eula in an irrelevant spaceship game A lot of posting from you for something irrelevant, wouldn't you agree?
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:09:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Dave Stark wrote:we've gone from breaking the eula in an irrelevant spaceship game A lot of posting from you for something irrelevant, wouldn't you agree? sorry what? if you'd like to make sense, that'd be great. You're calling the game irrelevant, and then you're posting about it all afternoon. Whats the deal with that?
Performative contradiction much? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:11:00 -
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Dave: This is an irrelevant spaceship game. Dave: Pardon me while I make 30 important posts about it.
Clear enough now? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:context is important, you should understand it before posting. Dave: Eve is irrelevant unless Dave is talking about it. Dave: That's called "context". The context is Dave. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:22:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:why are people demonising erotica? Ride that white horse Dave. Be the hero Erotica1 needs and deserves.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:31:00 -
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This. It is dangerously easy to manipulate others.
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:As the caller is a member of my Alliance, the fact he resorted to racist slurs and death threats is of importance
Some of us have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of thing
It's out of game [sic] so cool your jammies sweetie. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period. Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:19:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:But you can't deny that I would somehow be involved in content creation on the CSM.
Riptard has done more to generate interest in my campaign than I have. LOL Your campaign you will inevitably abandon when it's time to reveal your real name? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:21:00 -
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Mikey Aivo wrote:actually its just scamming, theres no invasion of privacy at all Except after he gets all of your assets, he makes you turn over RL pictures of yourself to him. And I understand he publishes them online.
Apparently that was part of what got him kicked out of Widot. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 06:26:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Can we get a link to some of those pics please? I would like to add them to my ticket. I don't have a link. If you look through old Erotica for CSM threads from last November, you might get some results. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3867335#post3867335 They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:23:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Good thing CCP can't intervene over an IP called TS3 which they don't own. Sucka. CCP can do anything it wants with accounts and digital content in this game.
They don't even need a reason to do so. And they certainly don't have to explain themselves to anyone.
If they want to axe someone because they don't like them, it's covered under the EULA every player agreed to. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:28:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Great. Then we can tell CNN about how a racist was flaming in a TS3 channel with underage teens listening. Oh yea thats gonna fly well. What's this "we" stuff? Who are you? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 08:33:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Incorrect. If no EULA violations can be found that happen 'in game' then CCP opens themselves to litigation. Read and understand this. It has nothing to do with "in game". That's an arbitrary boundary only you believe exists.
"CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill."
Navi Annages wrote:In other words if they cut off a scammer just because he scams within the confines of the EULA just because they have a beef with them then he can legally SUE them. No, "may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content" and Erotica1, you, and I all agreed to that.
"CCP believes, in its sole discretion"
and so on and so forth.
Yeah, Erotica1 can sue CCP in Iceland. GL HF. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 17:58:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:None of it actually says what you are imagining it does.
I am reporting both of you to CCP for making serious false libelous charges that I have any intent to bodily or otherwise harm Erotica1 You probably should have stopped posting 100 pages ago. There is a point where if you post too much, you end up digging a hole for yourself, and begin to look really foolish.
Whatever original point you had (harping on and on about legality) has become buried by other loose comments you made later.
Take a break from this thread for 48 hours. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:14:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah, I see the witch hunt is proceeding apace. Still trying to get someone banned because he offends you're own personal, subjective code of ethics? Good, good. I mean who needs well defined rules and policy that can be applied to all equally and evenhandedly when we can make our judgements based on feelings alone, amirite? You, among many others, are going to look pretty foolish if Erotica1 eventually drives someone to suicide with these antics.
Ethics has never been the question. It's about harm, and how fragile human minds are when they are pushed around by a master manipulator. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:If a few hours spend reading the code and singing two songs is enough for someone to commit suicide then they had much bigger issues than what what E1 did. All it takes is someone to give the last push.
baltec1 wrote:This isnt going to happen. Since you can see the future, would you mind picking some lotto numbers for us? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:36:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Dude, people have DIED playing wow. Does it therefore follow that WoW should be banned from the civilized world? Where did I say anything about banning?
PotatoOverdose wrote:You cannot calibrate a social structure based on the response of the mentally unstable outliers. If you did, all of society would live in a padded cell. This isn't a social structure. It is a video game. One that Erotica1 uses to manipulate people until they breakdown. Then he promotes their humiliation. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:45:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:Lastly, I think E1 should remove himself from consideration for the CSM The CSM thing is just for attention and to promote his scams. This guy is never going to release his RL name to this community where he can be tracked down and have his personal life tied to his relatively anonymous online behavior. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:51:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:As a CSM he is way out of line. He is a representative of CCP and has taken an internal matter of CCP's and put it on public display, and continues to update it even after CCP has said they are investigating the matter internally.
This clear harassment is in direct violation of not only CCPs EULA, but also many international Harassment Laws. As a CSM member, and representative of CCP, Ripard is way out of line. Please tell me this is a troll, because most of your posts are quite intelligent. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:03:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:As a CSM he is way out of line. He is a representative of CCP and has taken an internal matter of CCP's and put it on public display, and continues to update it even after CCP has said they are investigating the matter internally.
This clear harassment is in direct violation of not only CCPs EULA, but also many international Harassment Laws. As a CSM member, and representative of CCP, Ripard is way out of line. Please tell me this is a troll, because most of your posts are quite intelligent. and what makes you think it isa troll, everything I wrote is true. It's a community matter, not an internal matter. Afaict, he hasn't broken NDA or discussed anything happening internally at CCP.
This is actually a good use of the CSM for once (pay attention Malcanis) whether you agree or not with Ripard's conclusions, he's highlighting a community issue, which obviously many people feel passionately about.
Now if you really want to make the claim he is out of line, you should outline specifically what he has done that has crossed said line. Not the line in your head, but the actual line CCP has laid out wrt CSM performance.
Your post was so silly, I assumed it was a troll, because it's beyond belief anyone intelligent (which I am very sure you are) would write such a thing with a straight face. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:07:00 -
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Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:Keep blowing this out of proportion or else Sohkar ends up in prison. <----------------------------------------
Sohkar will goto Jail over this. His Children will talk to him through a glass wall through a telephone. Mrs. Sohkar will be crying in the backgroud. At the end of the day Mr. Sohkar could have done things differently. Don't make death threat's kids. It breaks the law. <--------------------------------------------- D Grade fear mongering. Really poor effort.
For there to be charges, Erotica1 would have to reveal his RL identity. And he'd need to be in a jurisdiction that is legally compatible with Sohkar's locale.
I welcome Erotica1 revealing his RL identity to this community and the world.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ad hominem. It's not ad hominem. It might be another logical fallacy, but it's not an ad hominem. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:15:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Its not a community matter at all this is between CCP and Erotica 1. Sure it is a community matter. It affects people in this community. People in this community (including Ripard) have an opinion about it.
Mario Putzo wrote: Ripard Teg has taken it upon himself to ~make~ it a community thing. I can't speak for you, but Ripard didn't make me produce any of the posts I have. I suspect Ripard is less powerful than you give him credit for.
Mario Putzo wrote:IConsidering CCP has said they are looking at it internally and CSM Ripard Teg has CONTINUED to update his blog regarding this means he is directly interfering with an internal CCP investigation, and as an active member of the CSM (and thus CCP Representative) is out of line. If any of that is true, then it is not a Mario Putzo matter, it is a Ripard / CCP matter. Following your logic, that's correct?
Mario Putzo wrote:His continued harassment of Erotica and Sohkar for his own personal gain (page views of his blog) not withstanding of course. Everyone acts for personal gain. That doesn't change the facts of the relationship between Erotica1 and Sohkar. You seem to be more concerned with the messenger than the message.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:35:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:(secret: I don't care what happens to anyone involved here, I am just passing time at work) I know. LOL. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:42:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:But you know what, I do have concerns for my wife and son. Shame you don't think about their best interests when you treat other people poorly on the internet.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:There is a reason every human society makes a distinction between grown folks and kids. I agree. We are all God's children.
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You should be ashamed of yourself to equate being made fun of on the internet with real torture. Anyone who has used that word to describe what happened to Sohkar The Consenting Adult should be banned. Dear friend, unrustle your jimmies.
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:08:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:dexington wrote: Keep supporting racism bro, you'll get it one day. I don't have a big problem with casual racism, but you're here pretending you do, and if you had integrity, you'd be compelled to drop your corp (and certainly harbor no delusion of one day being in PL).
In other words, spare us the holier-than-thou routine. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:55:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Yeah if anything the blogger should be banned for attempting to start a negative media shitstorm. Are goons anti-free speech now?
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:01:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:For highsec pubbies, hell yes. You do know that Ripard is not a hisec pubbie, right?
La Nariz wrote:Its a private company, free speech does not apply and libel isn't protected under free speech. Do you think that private companies benefit from censoring customers?
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:13:00 -
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I got 99 PAP links and a pubbie ain't one. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:This thread has gone on long enough Devs. You have your info you were after, you can see the opinions on both sides. You can lock this sorry piece of social experiment and make your decisions. Im sure you have at this point anyways. Thanks for moderating. Your check is in the mail. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, I see Ripard's position STILL has no stronger point than "I don't like someone. Ban them, and harshly punish anyone who ever talked to them."
If I get a blog going, and post about getting someone I don't like banned, will that be enough too? Or do I have to be a CSM member before I can publicly call for someone to be banned because I don't like them?
Oh, and Ripard? I call for a public apology for your wildly inappropriate use of the term "Torture" to refer to hurt feelings on the internet. Your inflammatory language is what turned this molehill into a mountain, and no one here bears more responsibility for this bullshit than you. There is no need to be upset. Unrustle your jimmies friend. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:38:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Some people seem very sensitive to the idea of humiliation. Yeah, weird hunh? They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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olan2005 wrote:The counter point to you're argument is that coercion through holding assets to ransom was used to get the player to stay . Finish and You get your stuff back. ,was the ransom angle that kept the victim their. He was not completely free to leave as that meant forfeiture of his assets Everyone should understand this. The victim was only there because his assets were on the line. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Posted - 2014.03.27 23:37:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Go find a different game that caters to your Candy Land Morality. Hey Mario, congrats on getting a job at CCP!!!
I can only assume that is what has happened, since you think it's your job to tell people what they can and can't do in this game.
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